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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2017, 09:27:23 AM »
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2017, 10:30:43 PM »
Well done Coxy! I wonder if Bridgestone was playing with the colors on the new (at the time) GTO model and decided on gold over blue. How would you like to be the painter and they told you... "Naw, I don't like the blue, paint it gold". I'll bet the painter probably had a bottle of sake under his work bench.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 02:57:08 PM »
hey tom I've never had sake but judging by his lines it must be pretty potent stuff!

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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 06:16:01 PM »
             Thanks DL, you had previously only published the VIN for your bike. You still have the highest known (to me)  VIN for a 350 on the planet. I'm not too concerned about the higher frame and engine numbers, some would have been pulled off the line for use as spares.

      For a long time there has been a big gap in the VIN numbers, the highest known Gold/Chrome 1970 GTO being 7523 and the earliest White 1971 GTO being 8430 ----907 missing machines?
      I wondered whether BS had left gaps in the VIN series when models changed but with 6800 coming to light and Moonpup's 6962 , that seems less likely. Also,the White GTO I have just bought is VIN 21 J 08012, adding, hopefully,  another 418 machines to the known production series. There is still a gap of 489 machines between 7523 and my 8012. Can anyone add a GTO in this range?? . More numbers for all Gold/Black stripe GTRs would also help fill in some gaps.

    Late GTO/GTR  production may be complicated by small batches of different machines being made, possibly to use up available parts, as Moonpup has previously pointed out.

   Coxy, sorry to hijack your post, but it's a good time to ask for VIN numbers. You certainly have the earliest known GTO on the planet, even if it doesn't prove to be the first. There are only 18 possible VINs that could disprove it  ;D Congratulations.

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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 08:05:13 PM »
Brian,  Good job on trying to nail the production numbers down. Got a couple questions for you if you don't mind.....  ;D

1. What's the last red GTR number that's been recorded/reported?
2. I haven't seen many 71 gold GTR numbers posted. What are the earliest & latest numbers currently recorded/reported?

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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 08:39:46 PM »
Just to digress, coxy, you need to try some sake. I have personally had some very religious experiences while consuming the stuff with my colleagues in Japan. It's not particularly nice to you the morning after, but still worth a go. Maybe add some sushi or sashimi to compliment. ;D ::) ;D
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2017, 07:48:58 AM »
        Pup,
                  See Graham Weeks list for the highest recorded red GTR -  Vin 06756,  that's only 26 machines short of Kotaro's stated figure of 6782 total production for the red GTR. Kotaro is the only source we have for this early production information. I don't know his source but the figure is so specific, I'm happy to accept it as gospel. Same for the Gold/chrome GTO's where he was able to give monthly production figures that total 1000. Too specific to be a guess, factory source? Without access to BS production records we cannot improve on these figures and VINs to date, do back them up.

    1971, all gold GTOs. DL's is the latest known at 9730, the earliest I've got is BSforever with 8753. Assuming all intermediate machines were GTRs that's 977, much higher than Kotaro's suggested 500 but closer to the number needed to give us nearly 10,000 350s built.       Where are they?     I know a few have been repainted in the earlier Imperial? gold which is a far more attractive colour.
 SRpackrat has a gold GTO but I don't know his VIN? Think it's a 70s model.

    At the moment, my data is just listed as I find it, will produce a spreadsheet and put it in VIN number sequence. Will also try to improve the colour and dating information. Some claimed colours are dubious due to repaints etc. This is the first time I have made a detailed assessment of the records but it is suggesting the last batch of machines was bigger than previously thought, although it's too early to draw any firm conclusions. We are getting there. 

   Will echo Bert's recommendation for Sake, might also come in handy for paint stripping on that tank  ;D, Coxy.  On second thoughts, don't strip it yet, could just be an interesting part of the BS 350 story, if original ?
   To be continued, Brian.                   Good to see the site so active, helps to pass the dark winter days.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2017, 09:57:57 AM »
Thanks Brian, now let me see if I got this straight.....

I put together this profile based on your research, Graham’s list & various posting’s I’ve found on the site

Red & Chrome GTR’s   1967-1968
Earliest – 00108 (bikenstein)
Latest -    06756   (?)

Gold & Chrome GTO’s  1970
Earliest – 06800  (coxy)
Latest -    07523  (?)

Solid White GTO’s  1971
Earliest – 08012 (BRT-GTR) 
Latest -    09503 (CL-100)

Solid Gold GTR’s  1971
Earliest -  08753  (bsforever)
Latest -    09730  (farmerdl)

*** The solid colored GTR & GTO numbers seem to intermesh with each other vs. one solid run for each. Is that right and if so, that's going to make getting a total number for each of those a real pain!
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2017, 11:47:12 AM »
Hi Mike,
               Agree with most of the dates and models.  I wasn't fully aware of the solid gold GTRs in the early days of my list and didn't always distinguish the models.
               Red GTRs agree, Gold/Chrome GTOs agree

     Looks like I now  have the earliest solid white GTO with 8012 but agree with info for gmman010 and Tom Meadows.
     Not happy about the magazine info for Livingstone (have copy). 9668,  could be a frame number (claimed March 71 is probably right) and he does say it looks like it was put together from the dregs of the parts box, so may not be original frame.  I think that makes Jens Jessens with 8533 the highest white GTO and cuts out any overlap but limits the max number of this model to less than 1000.

    I messed up with BSforever, typed him in on my previous post as the earliest solid gold GTR but then saw the Dec 70 production date and changed it to Husker!! You are right, although built in 70 , his is a 71 model solid gold GTR. Will correct previous post.

       I did see 21M09138 in 2015 at DK motorcycles in UK which I recorded as a white? GTR. It had one low pipe fitted and a high pipe strapped to the seat! I kid you not !!   Now that would really mess things up. Will go back & check my data.

  Now on GTR/GTO/VIN overload,   Brian.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2017, 01:32:23 PM »
Nice job guys! I, for one, appreciate your efforts.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2017, 01:46:47 PM »
I have a "71 white GTO number 9503, which might help validate the 9688 number by Livingstone.


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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2017, 02:00:59 PM »

        I did see 21M09138 in 2015 at DK motorcycles in UK which I recorded as a white? GTR. It had one low pipe fitted and a high pipe strapped to the seat! I kid you not !!   Now that would really mess things up. Will go back & check my data.

  Now on GTR/GTO/VIN overload,   Brian.

That must have been one of those super rare GTRO's!   :o

If you see these bikes in person, always look at the upper right corner of the vin tag, as it will say whether it's a GTR or a GTO. (see CL-100's pic above)(Thanks Rowland, nice GTO & GTR!) Sorry Brian, this puts the overlap back in the picture.  :'(

Also, I've added your updated info in my list and will do so in the future as more data becomes available.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2017, 04:37:28 PM »
Mike,

       '' I did see 21M09138 in 2015 at DK motorcycles in UK which I recorded as a white? GTR. It had one low pipe fitted and a high pipe strapped to the seat! I kid you not !!   Now that would really mess things up. Will go back & check my data.''

      ''That must have been one of those super rare GTRO's!   :o''

   If you'd have seen it, it was more like a .......GROT.   lol               

     The overlap will make sorting out production numbers more difficult but let see how things progress             Brian.
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2017, 04:53:05 PM »
Is it possible that the lots were managed flexibly? Building GTOs and Rs simultaneously on the production line. (just to add another dynamic... :o ::)
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2017, 04:53:21 PM »
Mike,

       '' I did see 21M09138 in 2015 at DK motorcycles in UK which I recorded as a white? GTR. It had one low pipe fitted and a high pipe strapped to the seat! I kid you not !!   Now that would really mess things up. Will go back & check my data.''

      ''That must have been one of those super rare GTRO's!   :o''

Is it possible that the bike with 1 high and 1 low pipe was green ?? Moonpup?
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2017, 04:56:08 PM »

Is it possible that the bike with 1 high and 1 low pipe was green ?? Moonpup?


Not unless Brian is color blind.... (good try dcr!)
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Re: two gto;s
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2017, 05:33:14 PM »
           I was me that was green and not with envy,  it was a shed. ;D :D ;D.  It may have said GTO on the side tag, will try to find my original note.

         I do remember seeing GTO on a side tag at DKs, that was when I first discovered the models were labelled as GTR or GTO.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2017, 05:39:06 PM »
This is cracking me up...Nice one Dan!
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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2017, 05:49:31 PM »
   Hang in there, Bert.                                    Brian.
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2017, 06:34:18 PM »
Guees you could say that I'm easily entertained. ;) :D ;)
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